Oh how I do love this LOST theory, from Entertainment Weekly:
John Locke is no longer alive — not in the traditional, off-Island sense of being ”alive.” The new Locke who washed up in last week’s episode is an Island creation imprinted with the old Locke’s consciousness. This is not the same thing as reincarnation, which is an eternal soul that puts on new flesh. New Locke can thrive only on the Island; if he strays from its life-giving power, he will gradually wilt like a flower denied sunlight. Similarly, as long as New Locke continues to think of himself as Old Locke — as long as he allows himself to fall prey to old weaknesses or return to old habits — he will not experience the fullness of strength that the Island provides its new creations. (And yes, I say ”new creations,” as in plural. My hunch is that some or all of the other castaways currently experience life in this fashion. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that the Oceanic 815 castaways are actually divided between people who really did miraculously survive the crash and ”reasonable facsimiles” of Oceanic passengers created by the Island.)
But here’s the thing about New Locke: He has no soul. And herein lies the secret to the great saga of Lost. You see, John Locke’s body, in any form, has NEVER had a soul. His life is the story of adulterated destiny — and radical course correction. Remember: Locke was born three months prematurely after a car struck his pregnant teenage mother. We never saw the driver. Locke grew up nagged by a feeling that he was meant for a different kind of life. And he was: We now know that the Island has been trying to bring him to its shores since he was a wee lad. My theory is this: Somebody went back in time to kill Locke’s mom in order to prevent Locke’s birth. It didn’t work — but the would-be murderer (Ben? Widmore? Ms. Hawking?) did succeed in making a mess of Locke’s predestined life. Locke’s eternal soul was displaced from its body — and it went to the Island, where it’s been waiting for reunification. And my guess is that this great, redemptive moment will occur…in the final five minutes of the last episode of Lost.
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That’s some theory. Holy cow. So the question becomes which of the Oceanic 815 castaways actually did die in the crash, but are actually copies of themselves, who will lose their strength when they fall prey to their old weaknesses or return to old habits? This, I think, is actually way too hard to do. Christian Shepard came to the island dead, just as John did this time. But then, of course, people died on the actual island, like the people they buried alive when they were paralyzed, Charlie, etc. And I’m annoyed by the whole, "you get to die when the island is done with you, so there’s no point in trying to kill yourself." As if the general time you are to die is predetermined. The exquisite torture of LOST!
More to follow later tonight. Apologies in advance to all those who couldn’t possibly care less. I’m doing these Lost Wednesdays through all of season 5, mostly for myself, to keep track.
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Okay, there was much to digest on this episode. First, I must go back and watch the episode "The Man Behind The Curtain."
Seeing Horace again, made me brush up on the details we know about him: "Before he came to the Island, Horace was driving with his wife Olivia 32 miles outside of Portland when he came upon Roger Linus carrying Emily Linus on the side of the road, right after Ben had been prematurely born. He wanted to take Ben’s dying mother to the hospital, but she died before he had the chance to."
Obviously that was no coincidence. Ben was born prematurely (when mom was in 7th month of pregnancy), as was John Locke (born when his mother was 6 months pregnant). And wouldn’t you know that Ben and Locke were both named by their mothers, who had the same name: Emily. Emily Linus, Emily Locke.
And our boy Horace is the one who built and designed the cabin where we see Jacob. Horace was married to Olivia, but was also wearing a wedding ring when Amy gave birth this episode.
4 YEARS AGO: Gushers
Oh, thanks for posting that. It gives me much to consider and sort of goes along with my own new theory.
If you are interested: Once I saw Ben reading Joyce's Ulysses, I began to consider that the brilliant Lost writers might have been offering up Locke & Jack as red herrings. While we're all busy watching them jump between the hoops contrasting men of faith & science, the real 'man behind the curtain' protagonist is Ben (who is hands down the best actor on the series -IMHO). I think Ben is the chess-master trying to reverse time. I think he wants to go back to a time when his life went terribly wrong (possibly when he killed the Dharma initiative or more probably when he was in love with the little swing-set girl who carved him a dolly). I think, just like Snape in Harry Potter, we should be watching Ben very closely and turn our eyes from the obvious leads.
Now you got me going and I have to write a post about this ;-)
I love that you're doing this every week! I feel like such a geek for counting the hours on Wednesday 'til my kiddos are in bed and the show is finally on!! My husband dropped out somewhere in the second season and has been getting interested in what's happening from time to time during this season–I've forbidden him to ask questions during the show! Now he writes them down and asks afterward, lol.
That is some theory! Hmmm, now that is really something to think about.
It also leads to the questions of those that "died" on the island…are they truly dead? Or was it their soul that died?
And what will truly happen when "old" Locke and "new" Locke see each other?
Gah! So many questions!!! So few answers. But I love Lost for all the craziness it gives me.
I'm actually really enjoying your Lost Wednesdays and look forward to them. You're way smarter at interpreting the show than I am!
While I remembered that Horace built Jacob's cabin and was the one that Locke had to "go find" I had completely forgotten that he was there when Ben was born! Interestinger and interestinger!
Though every week my burning question is much simpler than the "what the hell is happening?!?" Every week, as the credits roll for the newest episode I shout at the television set "Where the hell are Rose and Bernard?!?" God dammit, they were more than red shirts and maybe I blinked while they died by fire arrow but I don't remember seeing them bite it and desperately want to know what has happened to them.
I have to say that Lost is making less and less sense every episode. The writers keep adding these storylines that are backed up by nothing. It seems like none of the characters are really aware or care about how bizarre of a situation they are in. Why does John Locke need to die in order for the Oceanic 6 to come back to the island? Why do they need to come back to the island to save the others? Why do none of the characters ask any questions? I mean, we havn't even really gotten a clear answer on what The Others were dong on the island, and Juliet is one of them. Why dosn't she tell them in detail who exactly The Others are, what they were doing on the island, and all the details that she knows about the island. Why don't the rest of them try to get more answers from her. Who are the Dharma initiative? Its obvious that they are doing research and stuff, but I just find it really strange how Sawyer and people don't just ask them wtf is going on? It seems like none of the characters care about getting answers anymore. This show is pissing me off. Anyways, if you missed tonights episode, check it out online here…
http://watchloststreaming.com/season-5-episode-8-lafleur/
…and try to see if my rant makes any sense to you.
I was wondering myself about Olivia. I remember her vaguely. And I also wonder what is with all the marriages of Dharma peeps. It seems to me that they get married an awful lot with first and second marriages abounding. Is this a Dharma thing?
I don't think the ET theory is correct because the writers have sworn up and down that this isn't a purgatory/undead/zombie story. I don't know about souls, but it really seems to me that they are going to stick with the time travel, at least for this season which is officially half over!
My post is up, too: http://outtamymindwithworry.blogspot.com/2009/03/lost-discussion-thursday-le-fleur.html
Those theories… ARGH! I think my nose just started bleeding. Was that a Doc Jensen theory? Oh, my head.
Question: When Horace was building the cabin and talking to Locke, his nose was bleeding. Was he moving through time (hence the symptom received by everyone else when the island was disjointed)?
Another question: Since they saved Amy, does that mean Horace and Olivia never came to be? I think Amy was supposed to die, and when Sawyer & Crew saved her, thus began the butterfly effect of messing with time when you shouldn't.
Keep the Lost posts coming.
PS. Pier 66 is a great restaurant. You'll luv it. My son will be here so I won't be able to make it.
Best show ever + I really enjoy your commentaries on it
Love your theories! Love this show! I missed the whole first season and haven't had the time to watch it on DVD. It might be crazily 'out there' but I'm so impressed by the creativity of the writers. And I agree with who ever said that 'Ben' (well, the actor playing him) is the best on the show.
Congratulations on the pooing in the toilet by your peanuts, by the way.